Some
Problems If Jesus Is The Angel Of The LORD
Extracting scriptures from their
context to try to prove the trinitarian doctrine actually displays
the loss of reasoning skills among its advocates because this
doctrine so blinds people from the whole truth. I know, I was one of
them!
In the previous chapter we spoke
of angels as God’s agents. A former friend of mine (who
discontinued our friendship because I no longer believed the trinity
teaching) tries to prove that the angel
of the LORD is really
the supposed “pre-incarnate” form of Jesus who she says is God,
and therefore it explains why no one died when they looked at God!
She states:
We must determine from context
whether the word refers to the office of the sent one or to the
nature of angels. We must also check if it says “AN angel of the
Lord or “THE angel of the Lord” to determine whether there is a
particular angel spoken about. The angel of the Lord seems to be a
pre-incarnate form of Jesus (who is God and part of the trinity), and
that could explain why people have in fact seen God without dying.
Note the words “seems” and
“could explain,” which essentially means, “I don’t know for
sure.”
If THE angel of the Lord is
supposedly the pre-incarnate form of Jesus (who she says is God),
then who is THE angel of the Lord in the following verses:
But while he thought on these
things, behold, THE angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream,
saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary
thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins. (Matt. 1:20-21)
Is
THE angel of the Lord (who she says is Jesus) in the womb of Mary and
talking with Joseph at the same time?
What
about the following verses:
And, lo, THE angel of the Lord
came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and
they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for,
behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all
people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour,
which is Christ the Lord. (Luke 2:9-11)
If
Jesus is “THE angel of the Lord,” is this angel announcing his
own birth? Are we really to believe that Jesus, as the angel, is
really in two places at the same time? Jesus, as the angel, is with
the shepherds in the field and at the same time in the city of David
wrapped in swaddling clothes in a manger?
What
about AN angel of the Lord?
Now when they had departed,
behold, AN angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said,
“Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain
there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child,
to destroy him.” (Matt. 2:13)
An
angel of the Lord appears to Joseph in a dream and yet at the same
time, AN angel of the Lord is the young child? How can that be?
Please explain.
But when Herod was dead, behold,
AN angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, Saying,
Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land
of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child’s life.
(Matt. 2:19-20)
Is
there really a difference here between AN angel of the Lord and THE
angel of the Lord? Why? What determines the difference? What we still
have is an “angel,” period.
What
do we have the day of the resurrection of Jesus? Is he still the
angel or an angel of the Lord?
Behold, there was a great
earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from the sky, and came
and rolled away the stone from the door, and sat on it. His
appearance was like lightning, and his clothing white as snow. For
fear of him, the guards shook, and became like dead men. The angel
answered the women, “Don’t be afraid, for I know that you seek
Jesus, who has been crucified. He is not here, for he is risen, just
like he said. Come, see the place where the Lord was lying. Go
quickly and tell his disciples, ‘He is risen from the dead, and
behold, he goes before you into Galilee; there you will see him.’
Behold, I have told you.” (Matt. 28:2-7)
If
an angel or the angel of the Lord is Jesus, how can this angel say,
“he is not here” when he is right there talking with the women at
the grave? Is he at the grave and at the same time heading to
Galilee?
Even
more astounding, are we really supposed to believe that Jesus was an
“angel?” Heb. 1:4-6 refutes this angel-Christology:
…being made [Jesus] so much
better than the angels, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more
excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said God at
any time, “Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten Thee”? And
again, “I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son”?
And again, when He bringeth in the First-Begotten into the world, He
saith, “And let all the angels of God worship Him.”
At
no time in the scriptures does it ever equate the angel or an angel
of the LORD to the Messiah. Therefore, these trinitarian “proof
texts” really do not prove anything. This is simply wishful
thinking.
Jesus
Is God Manifest In The Flesh?
Another
proof text to try to prove Jesus is God is taken from 1 Tim. 3:16. We
will often hear, "Jesus is God manifest in the flesh."
However, nowhere in that text does it say
JESUS is
God manifest in the
flesh." It reads like this in the King James Version:
And without controversy great is
the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in
the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on
in the world, received up into glory.
The
first thing we need to know, and from what I understand if this is
true, is that the word “God/theos” was forged into a small number
of Greek texts around the 4th century. The KJV is based on corrupted
manuscripts here. Many Scholars agree that the word “God” is not
found in the earliest manuscripts, but was added later by scribes.
From what I understand, the earliest and best manuscripts does not
have the word “God” in it but rather “He,” “who,” or
“which.” Even modern (trinitarian) bible translations disagree
with the KJV for putting the word “God” in 1 Timothy 3: 16.
Therefore, those who support the trinity doctrine will quote from the
KJV.
Since
I am not a Greek scholar and do not know the Greek language (as many
of you), let us approach this verse anyway with a common sense
approach, putting aside the indoctrination that has been handed down
to us.
The
verses say, “Great is the MYSTERY OF GODLINESS.” “Godliness”
means righteousness,
as in godly
or piety.
Paul is not saying Jesus is God incarnate nor that it is a mystery
who God is. Paul certainly knew who God was (Phil. 4:19) and God
gives us enough intelligence to know who He is as well. We are told
in Jer. 9:24:
But let him who boasts boast in
this, that he UNDERSTANDS and KNOWS me.
Because
the verse says, “God
was manifest
in the flesh,” this is supposed to mean that God
Almighty became a man
in the flesh. At this point, trinitarians contradict their own
dogma. If the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father,
etc., then how can they claim Jesus is God Almighty? In order to
support the trinity doctrine, it should read as:
And without controversy great is
the mystery of godliness: God
the Son was
manifest in the flesh…
We
know this is blatantly false. Scriptures says there is only one
God who is the only true God (John
17:3). Trinitarians certainly cannot claim that Jesus is God the
Father since they do not believe Jesus is the Father!
When
it comes to the word manifest,
we see where Paul uses similar expressions in 2Corinthians 4:11:
For we which live are always
delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus
might be made MANIFEST
in our mortal flesh.
Does
this make us Christ? No. “That Jesus might be made manifest
in our mortal flesh,”
simply means, “Jesus may be clearly shown.” This does not make us
Jesus.
The
second thing to notice is that if we want to adhere to trinitarian
teachings, we will have an enemy and that enemy is context.
Preceding this chapter we find where Paul states:
For there is ONE GOD, and one
mediator also between God and men, the
man Christ Jesus, who
gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper
time. (1 Timothy 2: 5,6)
This
is the result when we do not consider context. Paul never claimed
Jesus is God. Paul knows there is only “ONE
GOD” (not three),
and this one God is separately distinct from the ‘one mediator’
between God
and men. The mediator is the MAN
(not God) Jesus the
Messiah. At this point many try to butcher the common sense
understanding and definition of “mediator” so that they do not
have to engage in a rational discussion.
Furthermore,
if the passage in 1 Tim. 3:16 concerns God the Father, when did God
have to be justified in the spirit? In addition, the passage
certainly does not teach God was manifest in the flesh who was seen
because, “No man hath seen God at any time...” (John 1:18). The
passage has to do with Jesus.
Jesus
Has Come In The Flesh
The
phrase “Jesus has come in the flesh” does not mean that he
pre-existed. The Oneness doctrine that Oneness Pentecostals hold to
is just as awful as the trinity doctrine. With the trinity doctrine,
we have 3 Gods, which consists of three “persons” that supposedly
make up one God. The Oneness Pentecostal doctrine (Modalism or
Sabellianism) has one God as a single person who has revealed himself
in three modes or forms. Both doctrines adopt each other’s language
and same pet scripture verses to prove their doctrine that Jesus is
God.
What
both doctrines do is reduce Jesus the Messiah to a piece of flesh who
did not really exist as a total human being. In other words,
according to both of these doctrines, God needed a piece of flesh to
robe Himself in order to walk and speak through. The result is that
we end up with irrational senseless language and explanations to
prove Jesus is God. The end result is that they have eliminated the
actual son of God. If God is Jesus, then God had no son! What we
think was the son was just a piece of flesh that God needed to
occupy!
In
1 John 4:2 we read:
This is how you know the Spirit
of God: Every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the
flesh is from God.
Nowhere
does it say, “God came in the flesh.” Another translation
accurately says:
How can you recognize God’s
spirit? Every spirit who confesses Jesus Messiah as the one coming as
a fully human being.16
There
is nothing about God becoming a man. Much of the confusion concerns
the word “coming” as though it means arriving from a previous
life from somewhere else. That “Jesus has come in the flesh” has
to do with his appearance when Mary gave birth to Jesus, a human
being. He came into
existence (“begotten
by God”) in Mary and called the Son
of God because he is
the Christ (meaning, “anointed,” the Messiah).
A
friend said concerning 1 John 4:2:
What John is getting at when he
says ‘they deny that Jesus comes in the flesh’ is that they deny
Christ has ANY POWER over their flesh. They preach that Christ has
ONLY come “in their spirit” and their flesh remains the same
until the day they die (or until Christ’s return and he changes
their flesh).
That
explanation is not found in the text, nor does it make any sense.
This is not to mention that Jesus the Messiah has no power
over any flesh (humans). It is
without a doubt that Christ had power over his own flesh, i.e., he
overcame the temptations of the flesh. We all have a free choice to
reject or give into temptation (1 Cor. 10:13).
The
word for “flesh” in that verse means “flesh,” i.e., a “human
being” just like all of us. Being in the flesh (according to
context) is a human being, and the trinitarian teaching denies this
by saying he was fully
human and fully God.
Jesus
did not come “into flesh” as though he pre-existed in some other
form and transferred
himself from heaven
into a woman’s womb. If Jesus pre-existed he could not be fully
human but simply dressed up to appear as a human being.
Jesus
was and is a full human being. He is
still a man although
no longer mortal since he now has a life of immortality after his
resurrection and sits at the right hand of the Father and is the
mediator between God and man. We read in 1 Tim. 2:5:
For there is one God, and one
mediator between God and men, the
man Christ Jesus.
Do
you see all the irrational explaining one has to do in order to
support a position that is not even scriptural?
Jesus
Making Himself Equal With God?
Many who try to prove Jesus is
God will use John 5:17, 18 as one of their proof text:
My Father has been working until
now, and I have been working. Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him,
because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His
Father, making Himself equal with God.
This passage is read to think the
Jews are accusing Jesus of claiming to be God. The passage does not
support the trinity doctrine, nor did the Jews think Jesus was
claiming to be God or that he was claiming to be “God
the Son.” In fact,
the religious Jewish rulers were correctly interpreting what Jesus
was saying! Jesus was claiming that God
is his Father! THIS
is what angered the
Jews and this is why they wanted to kill him! As the son of God, he
clearly showed that all his authority comes from God Himself (Matt.
28:18).
By the way, you will notice that
I used the term “religious Jewish rulers” above. Many times when
Jesus was confronted, it was not by the average Jewish people, but
rather by these “Jewish leaders,” mostly known as the
“Pharisees, Scribes, and Sadducees, and scriptures refer them as
“the Jews” (John 6:41 and 52). Their aim was to strictly follow
both the written and oral law. Most of them had a “holier than
thou” haughty attitude, though not all of them. It was the
religious rulers who sought to kill Jesus. Jesus had some strong
rebuke for these religious rulers.17
Jesus immediately clarified to
these religious rulers how he was equal to God to clear up their
confusion, and it would clear up the confusion with those under the
trinitarian influence if they would read the whole chapter and
related passages in its context. He was equal to God in the sense
that he came in his Father's name and showed
his followers what God the Father is like (John 5:43; 10:25; 17:6),
which means he represented his Father in all his words and
deeds (John 5:20, 36; 10:25,32,
37-38; 14:10-11; 17:4), and thus was acting in the Father's name and
on His behalf.
Furthermore, “equal” does not
mean “of the same substance” that makes up “one being,” thus
God. In the Old Testament Joseph is said to be equal to Pharaoh (Gen.
44:18), does this make Joseph Pharaoh?
So when Jesus was claiming that
God is his Father, he was not claiming equality with God in the sense
of being God
as trinitarians interpret it. Do we ever take the time to think that,
by definition, if you are equal to God it cannot mean that you are
God? Also, do you call God your Father? Does that make you equal with
God and therefore God?
Jesus
Claiming To Be God In John 8:58?
Jesus said to them, “Truly,
truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.
The
trinitarian claim is that the Jews picked up stones to try to stone
Jesus because he was claiming to be God. Jesus never claimed, “I am
God.” Trinitarian teaching would have us believe that this “I am”
relates to the time when God called Moses to lead the Israelites out
of bondage in Egypt. Remember that Moses was talking with the LORD’S
angel
(Exo. 3:2). Remember the law of agency? Furthermore, bear in mind
Jesus is not the Father!
The
fact is, they were not wanting to stone Jesus for claiming to be God,
but because he claimed to be the Messiah, the Christ, the
Son of God.
The
Jews had an awfully short memory if they were trying to say Jesus was
claiming to be God, but were not bright enough to bring this up at
the trial where they had the perfect opportunity to recall this to
everyone’s attention and set the record straight. What did they ask
Jesus at the trial? Did they ask if he were God? No. They knew
exactly what Jesus was claiming. The High Priest said to Jesus:
I command you by the living God
to tell us if you are
the Messiah, the
Son of God! (John
6:63)
And
THAT is why the Jews wanted to kill him, not because he claimed to be
the Supreme God. If we think they were angry because Jesus was
claiming to be God, then they asked the wrong question. It had to do
with Jesus being the Messiah, the son of God, as we see earlier in
Jesus’ ministry:
So the Jews surrounded him and
quizzed him, "How long are you going to keep us in suspense? If
you are the Messiah,
tell us so plainly. (John 10: 24)
We have a law, and by our law he
ought to die, because
he made himself the Son of God.
(John 19:7)
The
Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well had a conversation with Jesus and
how he responded to her:
I know that the Anointed One is
coming, who is being called 'Messiah'. When that person comes, he
will explain everything. “I am he," Jesus replied, the one who
is speaking to you” (John 4:25-26).
“I
Am” Does Not Mean Jesus Is God
Now
I would like to take the passage in its context. The Scribes and
Pharisees are accusing Jesus of having a demon. In John 8:48-53 we
read:
The Jews answered and said to
him, "Do we not say rightly that you are a Samaritan and have a
demon?" Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon; but I honor
my Father, and you dishonor me. But I do not seek my glory; there is
One who seeks and judges. "Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone
keeps my word he shall
never see death. The
Jews said to him, "Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham
died, and the
prophets also; and
you say, 'If anyone
keeps my word, he shall
never taste of death.'
Surely you are not greater than our father Abraham,
who died? The prophets
died too; whom do you
make yourself out to be?"
It
is obvious the question from the Scribes and Pharisees was asked
because they misunderstood what Jesus said about eternal life. They
failed to realize that if they believe in God through his (Jesus)
word, they would have eternal life. It was not, as they understood
it, that they would never
taste physical death.
Because of their misinterpretation of what Jesus said, they began to
mock him by saying, “Abraham died…are you greater than Abraham?”
The Jews revered Abraham as the greatest of all the prophets, and if
Jesus were claiming to be greater than Abraham, this was considered
blasphemy.
Continuing
in 8:54-57:
If I glorify myself, my glory is
nothing; it is my Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, 'He is
our God'; and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I
say that I do not know Him, I shall be a liar like you, but I do know
Him, and keep His word. Your
father Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and was glad.
The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years
old, and have you seen
Abraham?”
It
is very clear Jesus does not claim to be God. He plainly states “My
Father…” is the one you Jews say, “He is our
God.”
Furthermore,
once again the Jews misunderstood what Jesus said, and under the
trinitarian belief, it does not mean Jesus pre-existed. Jesus
never said he saw Abraham. The
gospel was preached to Abraham (Gal. 3:8) about the coming Messiah.
So Abraham rejoiced at the day the Messiah would come and he saw
by faith.
It was not that he literally saw Jesus with his physical eyes.
Then
we get to verse 58, 59:
Jesus said to them, "Truly,
truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I
am."
Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid
Himself, and went out of the temple.
At this point, many who believe
Jesus is God, think that the “I am” is alluding to the divine
name (Ex. 3:14), which the bible translators give this impression by
capitalizing “I AM.”
Jesus
was not trying to explain to the Jews that he was one-third part of a
trinity and the “I AM.” The Greek for "I am" is "ego
eimi." It is
often translated as “I
am he” or some
equivalent. Look up the different translations and you will find:
-
Mark
13:6, Many will come in my name, saying, ‘I
am he!’ and they
will lead many astray.
(KJV has “Christ”)
-
Luke
21:8, And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will
come in my name, saying, ‘I
am he!’ and, ‘The
time is at hand!’ Do not go after them.
-
John
13:19, Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass,
ye may believe that I
am he.
-
John
18:5-6, They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them,
I am he. And
Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he
had said unto them, I
am he, they went
backward, and fell to the ground.
-
Matt.14:27
But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it
is I; be not afraid.
-
Mark
6:50, For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he
talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it
is I; be not afraid.
-
John
6:20, But he saith unto them, It
is I; be not afraid.
-
John
8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for
if ye believe not that I
am he, ye shall die
in your sins.
The
translators were not consistent when it came to John 8:58 and shows
the trinitarian bias of the translators. The words “I am” (ego
eimi) was common vocabulary for the Greeks just as it is for us in
the English language. ‘Ego eimi” (I am) are not Greek words
reserved for the name of their God, Yahweh. Just because someone
says, “I am” (ego eimi) does not mean the person is God. The
blind man in John 9:9 says, “Some said, This is he: others said, He
is like him: but he said, “I
am (ego eimi) he.”
No one would mistake the blind man to be God. As brother Kel so
rightly states:
Trinitarians typically suggest
that ego eimi was a Greek way of saying God's name "Yahweh."
But this is preposterous on several levels. If that is the case then
Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, Yahweh." This is absurd
nonsense. And are we also to believe Gabriel identified himself as
Yahweh at Luke 1:19 when he said, "I am (ego eimi) Gabriel."
At Luke 22:33, when Peter said to Jesus, "I am (ego eimi)
prepared to go to prison with you and to death," shall we then
say he used the words ego eimi to say to Jesus, "Yahweh is
prepared to go to prison with you and to death?" By using ego
eimi was Peter also claiming to be Yahweh? When John said, "I am
(ego eimi) not the Christ," are we expected to believe it really
means John the Baptist was saying that Yahweh is not the Christ?
(John 1:20). When the centurion said, "I am (ego eimi) a man
under authority (Matthew 8:9), are we to believe this really meant,
"Yahweh is a man under authority" and the centurion was
claiming to be Yahweh? When Jesus said one of his disciples would
betray him and Judas literally said, "Not I am (ego eimi) Lord?"
are we to believe this really meant Judas was claiming to be Yahweh
and Yahweh was going to betray Jesus? (Matthew 26:25). Why aren't
Trinitrians being consistent with the term ego eimi in many other
passages? The implications of the Trinitarian claim are disturbingly
ridiculous.
As
we can see, because of the trinitarian bias of the translators, they
cannot be consistent because they were too busy trying to make Jesus
God Almighty and therefore confuse many of who Jesus really is. He is
the Son of God, the Messiah. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and
the Messiah, and others called him the Messiah throughout his
ministry (Luke 2:11; Matt. 16:16; Mark 1:1; John 1:41).
Nowhere
in the gospel of John was John trying to convince people of a trinity
teaching, that Jesus was God, or that Jesus literally pre-existed.
John stated the purpose of his writing for he states near the end:
But these have been written that
you may believe that Jesus is God? NO.
Rather:
But these have been written that
you may believe that Jesus
is the Christ, the Son of God,
and that believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)
By
the way, “Christ” is not Jesus’ last name. The word is a Greek
translation of the Hebrew messiah,
meaning, “the anointed one.”
No
One Can Kill God!
Another
proof text often used to prove Jesus is God is Acts 20:28:
Pay careful attention to
yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made
you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with
his own blood.
Are we to believe that God has
blood? They believe that the blood of Jesus is the blood of God. By
the way, they call it call “divine blood.”
Divine blood flowed in the veins
of this only begotten Son of the Lord. He had flesh like we have but
not blood like ours. Because it came from the Holy Ghost, the blood
of Jesus was divine.18
This discussion alone, about
“divine blood,” leads us to another false doctrine that is
discussed later about original sin. Many conservative and
fundamentalist preachers teach that Jesus’ physical blood was not
human because his blood was directly derived from God the Father,
thus, “divine blood.” It is believed that sin is in the DNA and
can be transmitted from parent to child, which would have made Jesus
corrupt, fallen, and impure. Therefore, the purity of Christ must be
protected at all cost, which in reality is protecting heresy at its
worst – denying the humanity of Christ! They must protect Jesus
from being fully human in every way. The fact is, the blood that
circulated throughout Jesus is the same blood that circulates within
us. Blood is physical and has no moral qualities.
Acts 20:28 does not prove God
shed His own blood because God does not have blood. It was the blood
of Christ, God’s Son. Most versions say:
the assembly of God, which he has
purchased with the blood
of his own. (Darby).
the church of God which he bought
with the blood of his
own Son. (JB).
the church of God which he
obtained with the blood
of his own Son. (RSV)
the church of God that he
obtained with the blood
of his own Son. (NET).
Comparing
scripture with scripture, we know it has to do with Jesus. In Rev.
5:9 we read:
They were singing a new song: You
are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because
you were killed, and
at the cost of your own
blood you have purchased for God
persons from every tribe, language, people, and nation. (Rev. 5:9)
Suffice to say, Thomas Paine once
said, “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason
is like administering medicine to the dead.”
No
one can kill God. God did not shed His own blood for God does not
have blood. The basic fundamental truth about God is that He is
eternal.19 He is the living God.20
He is the everlasting God.21
He is the immortal God.22 Paul speaks of God as the One who alone has immortality. (1 Tim.
6:16):
He alone possesses immortality
and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is
able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.
God
is not subject to death, God has no blood, and Jesus is not God. If
Jesus is God, then God died! At least one-third of him did. How that
is supposed to work out, I do not know. It is hard to wrap our brain
around something so absurd to the natural senses God gave us once we
know the truth. The best a trinitarian can say, since they do not
believe God can die, is that the “man part” died. They want to
give Jesus two
natures! At this point
we must then resort to philosophical explanations that Jesus was
fully human and fully
God. Nowhere does the
bible ever say this or imply it.
God
Forsakes Himself?
When
Christ was on the cross he cried out:
My God, my God, why have you
forsaken me? (Matt. 27:46)
If
Jesus is God, by whom is he deserted? Is he crying out to Himself?
Did God forsake God? Did God raise himself from the dead? Since God
is immortal, how can one-third of God die? For those who believe
Jesus is God you must believe:
-
God
forsakes Himself (God forsakes God)
-
commits
Himself to God (God commits Himself to Himself)
-
God
prays to Himself (God prays to God)
-
God
raises Himself from the dead (God raises a dead God).
Does
anyone not see the absurdity? All this is very imaginative,
irrational, and absurd and therefore one must resort to the “dual
nature” argument.
There
is nothing in scripture that implies or declares that Christ had a
“dual nature.” This “dual nature doctrine” is a form of
Gnosticism. All is philosophy. (Col. 2:8)
Nothing
in this world has two natures. If Jesus had both a human nature and a
God nature then he must simultaneously have perfect knowledge and
restricted knowledge. This is impossible and a contradictory
position. In order to avoid this inconsistency, it is explained by
saying Jesus emptied
himself by referring
to Phil. 2:6-7. I must ask, “Emptied himself of what? Their answer,
if they dare, “Of his deity.” Well, if that is the case, then
Jesus ceased from being in the trinity!
To
speak of anything having nature is a contradiction of terms. For
instance, people will talk about “sinful nature” and that we are
born with it. To say one has a sinful
nature really means
nothing. If one has a sinful nature, where is it? If one claims he
was born with a sinful nature, can he take it out and still have a
nature? Nature is simply the essence, essential qualities or
attributes of a thing, which constitute it what it is. Nature
is comparable to the word definition.
I can look at an object and define
it. However, where is
the definition? Where would we find it?
One
cannot be fully one thing and fully another. One being cannot consist
of two beings.
I
And The Father Are One
I and the Father are one.
(John 10:30)
This verse if often quoted to try
to prove the trinity. But the question we must ask is, “One what?”
We are supposed to believe that what is implied here is that Jesus
and the Father are of one
essence when that is
not what the verse teaches. The context
(an enemy to some) explains everything.
Please note how BOTH are working
together:
I give them eternal life, and
they will never perish. No one will snatch them out of MY
HAND. (Christ the
shepherd). What my Father has given me is greater than all else, and
no one can snatch them out of the FATHER’S
HAND. (John 10:28-29)
This is working together and has
nothing to do with the false trinity doctrine trying to make both the
Father and the Son of the same substance.
Furthermore, several chapters
later Jesus the Messiah prayed to his Father that all those who
follow him (Christ) have the same oneness
that he shares with the Father.
I ask not only on behalf of
these, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through
their word, that they may all
be one. As you,
Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that
the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have
given me I have given them, so that they
may be one, as we are one.
(John 17:20-22)
Does that make us of the same
substance and therefore make us God? No, it has to do with one
in purpose. In
1 Cor. 3:8 where it has to do with preaching the gospel, it states:
He who plants and he who waters
are one,
and each will receive his wages according to his labor.
Again, “are one” has to do
with one in purpose.
It has nothing to do with being one in the ontological
sense.
Who
Is The True God?
And we know that the Son of God
is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him
that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus
Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. (1 John 5:20)
This is another gem to try to
prove the trinity. By the way, do you still notice the absence of the
holy spirit, the third member of the trinity?
Because the verse says, “this
is the true God” just after mentioning Christ, it is assumed Jesus
is the true.
Would it not be rather odd for John, who knows
the Father is the only
true God (John 17:3),
and Jesus as the Son of
God (John 20:31), to
suddenly call Jesus the
true God?
In
1 John 5:20, trinitarians insist that the antecedent to the word
“this” is referring back to Christ. However, if trinitarians want
to remain consistent, then they must use the same line of reasoning
and interpretation in the following verses:
Who is the liar but the one who
denies that Jesus is the Christ?
This
is the antichrist,
the one who denies the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22)
For many deceivers have gone out
into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus
Christ as coming in
the flesh. This
is the deceiver
and the antichrist. (2 John 1:7)
Would trinitarians actually
call Christ the antichrist in 1 John 2:22? And would we think that
Jesus is the deceiver and the antichrist?
“Him who is true”
in 1 John 5:20 is the
Father.
As
Bro. Kel rightly points out:
The Son comes to give us
understanding so that we might know “Him
[referring to God] who
is true.” Jesus has
come to give us an understanding of the Father that we might know God
the Father through His Son.
We are in Him
[referring to God] who
is true, in HIS
[referring to God] son
Jesus Christ.” The
HIM who is true has a son named Jesus.
The
trinity doctrine has hidden the obvious truth from those who fight so
hard to defend this dogma. I wonder how many people have started to
read this book only to put it down because they could not bear that
something they have believed in for so long could be a sham. As
authors Anthony Buzzard and Charles Hunting have stated:
Once a belief has been accepted
both intellectually and emotionally as truth, any challenge to that
cherished tenet is liable to almost automatic rejection. The very
human desire of all of us to conform to the group which has nourished
us and the lifetime patterns of thought learned from sincere teachers
we trusted and respected tends to create barriers which secure us
against all objections and can blind us to the most obvious truths.
When those deeply held beliefs are challenged, we naturally feel
threatened and defensive. Robert Hall, a 19th-century
writer on religion, observed wisely that:
Whatever holds back a spirit of
inquiry is favorable to error, whatever promotes it, to truth. But
nothing, it will be acknowledged, has a greater tendency to obstruct
the spirit of inquiry, than the spirit and feeling of party. Let a
doctrine, however erroneous, become a party distinction, and it is at
once entrenched in interests and attachments which make it extremely
difficult for the most powerful artillery of reason to dislodge it.23
Does
Jesus Have a God?
Remember that Jesus prays to his
Father and says:
And this is eternal life, that
they know you,
the only true God,
and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. (John 17:3)
Notice Jesus is not
saying, “that they may know ME, the only true God.” Jesus is not
the only true God and never claimed to be. When Jesus was
resurrected from the dead, he said to Mary at the tomb:
Do not cling to me, for I have
not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to
them, ‘I am ascending to my
Father and your
Father, to my
God and your
God. (John 20:17)
How can people claim that Jesus
is God when scriptures clearly explain that he has a God and this God
is his Father? This same God is also our God and Father!
That Jesus has a God does not
change after the resurrection. In Rev 1:6 we find:
And has made us to be a kingdom
and priests to his God
and Father…
In
Rev. 3:12 it says:
The one who conquers, I will make
him a pillar in the temple of my
God. Never shall he go
out of it, and I will write on him the name of my
God, and the name of
the city of my God,
the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my
God out of heaven, and
my own new name.
How can one honestly look at
these passages and deny what it says? How can one claim Jesus is God
yet has a God? How can God have a God?
There
is Only One God
Many also try to use Paul’s
writings to try to prove Jesus is God when Paul never claimed such an
idea.
There is only one God and He is the Father. Paul clearly
states:
Seeing it is one
God, which shall
justify. (Rom.3:30)
Even though food is offered to
idols, we know that none of the idols in this world are alive. After
all, there is only one
God. (1Cor.8:4)
We have only
one God, and he
is the Father. He
created everything...(1Cor.8:6)
There is one
God who
is the Father of all
people. (Eph.4:6)
For there is one
God, and there is one
mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, (1Tim.2:5)
There
are many passages that refer to the Father who is God alone. In Mark
12:28 we find a scribe who asked Jesus:
Which commandment is the most
important of all?
In
verse 29 Jesus answers:
The most important is, ‘Hear, O
Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Jesus did not say the LORD is
three or three in one. Jesus is repeating what all Jews believe. He
refers back to Deut. 6:4:
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God,
the LORD is one.
And how did the scribe
respond in verse 32?
And the scribe said to him, Well,
Teacher, in truth thou hast spoken that there is one
God, and there is none
other but He.
God
Is the Father of Our Lord Jesus
…that with one accord you may
with one mouth glorify the God
and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(Rom. 15:6)
Blessed be the God
and Father of our Lord Jesus;
(2Cor.1:3)
Blessed be the God
and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
(Eph.1:3)
Blessed be the God and Father
of our Lord Jesus Christ,
(1Pet.1:3)
How much clearer can this get? To
defend that Jesus is God is to reject these simple truths. To reject
these truths is also to reject what Jesus taught us concerning his
Father and about himself. John, one of his disciples, made it very
clear:
Everyone who does not
remain true to the teaching of the Messiah,
but goes beyond it,
does not have God.
The person who remains
true to the teaching of the Messiah has
both the Father and
the Son. (2 John 1:9)
John makes it very plain that
everyone who goes beyond the teachings of Jesus “does
not have God.”
Many trinitarians will lash out
that we have no right to judge their salvation. How ironic since most
trinitarians will claim we are not saved if we do not believe in the
trinity! Remember, the trinity teaching is the
litmus test
for mainstream Christianity. Which makes me wonder why this is never
mentioned to a person they are trying to convert if it is of great
importance to salvation.
Folks, I am not the one judging
this matter, it is John who was taught by Jesus who said this. If a
person wants to claim that John does not know what he is talking
about or try to twist his words, that person is merely rejecting
these simple truths only to continue to be deceived by the trinity
teaching. Is it really worth it?
The
Image of God
Col.
1:5 is often used to try to support the trinity:
He is the image of the unseen
God, the firstborn of all creation.
When speaking of Christ being the
“image of God,” the notion is to try to convince people that the
image is God
Himself. The scriptures tell us that God made man in His image. Does
this mean that we are God?
We are to believe that
“image” means the “manifestation” of God. The word image,
in the normal common use and sense of the word, should establish, by
its very meaning, that Christ is not the original God. An image is
never the same as the original no matter how convincing the
trinitarian argument may be. An image is a representation separate
from the original. There was an image of Caesar on a coin; there is
the “image” of the beast in Revelation 13. We have images of
former Presidents on our coins. If one were to argue that an image of
something means the same thing as the original, then being conformed
to the image of Christ
(Rom. 8:29) would mean that we could actually be Jesus the Messiah!
The book of Hebrews tells us that
Jesus the Messiah is the “express image of his person” (Heb.
1:3). “Image” in this verse has to do with God’s character.
The Greek word “charaktēr” informs us of this. The verse does
not support the trinity. If Christ is the "image of the
invisible God" (Col. 1:15), then he is a replica, which means he
cannot be the original. And if Christ is the "firstborn
of every creature,"
then it implies a beginning,
and trinitarians can no longer declare that Christ is the “Eternal
Son of God.”
If the reader would like to learn
more concerning Col. 1:15-20, please see footnote.24
I highly recommend it.
Only
God is Good?
In
scripture we read:
And as he was setting out on his
journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good
Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to
him, “Why do you call
me good? No one is good except God alone.
(Mark 10:17-18)
A common question asked for
trinitarians:
If Jesus is God, why did he say
'No one is good but God alone'?
A
typical trinitarian answer is that the question Jesus posed to the
man was designed not to deny his deity, but to recognize Christ’s
identity. This is supposed to be substantiated by passages like John
10:11 where Jesus is called the “good shepherd.” So their
deduction and reasoning are summarized as:
-
Jesus
claims only God is good.
-
Jesus
claims to be good.
-
Therefore,
Jesus claims to be God.
How
about that? Wow! Do you think that was persuasive reasoning and
proved the trinity?
Now,
some people take the passage and claim that Jesus only says, “No
one is good.” Was Jesus contradicting himself? Let us read some
quotes from Jesus himself in the New Testament:
so that you may be sons of your
Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil
and on the good, and
sends rain on the just and on the unjust. (Matt. 5:45)
The good person
out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out
of his evil treasure brings forth evil. (Matt.12:35)
And those servants went out into
the roads and gathered all whom they found, both
bad and
good. So the wedding
hall was filled with guests. (Matt.22:10)
As
we can see, Jesus says there are good people. And when he says, “Why
do you call me good? No one is good except God alone,” Jesus is
simply distinguishing between himself and God the Father who alone is
absolutely
good.
Worship
Jesus Or Worship God?
The
majority of Christendom thinks that since Jesus was worshiped, this
means he is God. They will also often refer to a passage where Jesus
says:
You shall worship the Lord your
God, and serve Him only. (Matt. 4: 10).
Note
that Jesus did not say, “I am the LORD your God, worship me only.”
Worship
means to “bow down.” Bowing and worshipping shows respect. In the
Hebrew culture, worship is not set aside entirely for God but people
as well were worshiped. For example:
-
Nathan
the prophet worshiped King David. (1 Kings 1:23)
-
David
was worshiped alongside the One true God (1 Chron. 29:20).
-
David
bowed before Saul (1 Samuel 24:8).
-
Joseph’s
brothers “worshiped” him (Gen. 43:26).
-
Ruth
“worshiped” Boaz (Ruth 2:10).
-
Abigail
“worshiped” David the outlaw (1 Sam. 25: 23, 41).
-
Saints
are going to be “worshiped” by their former persecutors (Rev.
3:9).
Worshiping
Someone Does Not Mean They Are God
The
Hebrew and Greek words for “worship” apply to God but also apply
to superior human
agents of the only
true God. The word for worship in the Hebrew is "shachah"
and is used for prostrating or bowing oneself before a human superior
or before God. In the Greek the word for worship is "proskuneo.”
What is interesting is that the King James Bible translators
translate it as "worship" (99 times), “bow” (31 times),
“bow down” (18 times), “obeisance” (9 times), and “reverence”
(5 times).25
Worshipping
a superior human agent did not make them the only true God, including
Jesus.
The
translators have misled us where it concerns the word worship
and this is why there is confusion. They translate worship as “bow
down” or something similar when it refers to people and as
“worship” when it refers to Jesus and God the Father.
Simply
put, both are worthy of worship, that is, Jesus as the Lord Messiah,
not as God himself. The ULTIMATE praise and worship are directed to
the ONLY TRUE GOD AND FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Eph. 1:3) As
Jesus said:
You shall worship the Lord your
God, and serve Him only. (Matt. 4: 10).
But the hour is coming, and is
now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father
in spirit and truth, for the Father
is seeking such people to worship Him.
(John 4:23)
You
Shall Die In Your Sins?
I told you that you would die in
your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your
sins. (John 8:24)
This
verse, often quoted, is an attempt to frighten those who do not
believe in the trinity. At a time in history, a person was tortured
to death for denying this teaching. Many were burned at the stake.
Since no one can impose the death sentence in our modern times, one
is terminated from fellowship and accused of having deserted the
faith. It is interesting that we can be terrified into believing
something that is not true. Most people fall for it. I know I once
did.
Because
of the influence of the trinity doctrine, they read it as though
Jesus said this:
I told you that you would die in
your sins, for unless you believe that I am [GOD]
you will die in your sins.
According
to many who adhere to the trinity teaching, our salvation depends
upon believing that Jesus is God. This is a major distortion of the
text. John never tried to convince anyone that Jesus is God through
his writings. He tells us near the end of the gospel the purpose for
his writing:
But these are written so that you
may believe that Jesus is the
Christ, the
Son of God, and that
by believing you may have life in his name.
We
see the purpose of John’s writing was not to prove Jesus is God. He
says that people will die in their sins because they do not believe
he is the Christ, the Messiah, the
Son of God.
Jesus
told the Samaritan woman that he is the Messiah (John 4:25-26). Jesus
affirmed Peter's statement that he is the Messiah and Son of God
(Matt 16:15-17, see also Mark 8:29-30, Luke 9:20-21). Jesus told the
high priest that he is the Messiah and Son of God (Mark 14:61-62,
Matt 26:63-64, Lk 22:70). There is nothing in the whole bible where
our salvation depends on the belief that Jesus is God.
I
was reading the book of Acts not long ago where Phillip was teaching
the Ethiopian eunuch about a certain passage. Phillip was teaching
him about Jesus and must have talked about baptism because the eunuch
asked about being baptized. Philip said to the eunuch that if he
believed with all his heart he could. Look at the confession of the
eunuch:
I believe that Jesus Christ is
THE SON OF GOD. (Acts 8:37)
He
did not say that he believes Jesus is God, or part of a triune God.
A
little further, we read about Saul’s conversion. It says:
So Ananias departed and entered
the house, and after laying his hands on him said, “Brother Saul,
the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were
coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled
with the Holy Spirit.” And immediately there fell from his eyes
something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and
was baptized, and he took food and was strengthened. (Acts 9:17-19)
What happened next is that Saul
begins to teach about Christ. He was with the disciples several days
at Damascus and immediately began to proclaim Jesus in the
synagogues. Did he start preaching, "Jesus is God?" No. He
began to proclaim “JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD” (Acts 9:20).
Neither the disciples nor Saul
(name changed to Paul after his conversion) was confused about who
God is and who Christ is. Will you believe Jesus and those whom he
taught or the trinity doctrine?
Does
God Have A Supreme God? How So?
Hebrews
1:8 is used to try to prove Jesus is God:
But to the Son He says ‘Your
throne, O God, is forever.
Many
will say, “See! Right there the word theos
(God) is used for Jesus. There it is!” But does this prove the
trinity? The word “God” in Hebrews 1:8 does not indicate God the
Father, which is proven by the very next verse:
Therefore God,
your God,
has set you above your companions.
We
have already established that there is only one true God. But let us
also use our common sense. Does the Supreme God have a Supreme God?
How so? If someone has a God then he cannot be God. The problem is
solved once we realize Hebrews 1:8 is quoting Psalm 45:6-7:
Your throne, O God, is forever
and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness;
you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God,
your God, has anointed
you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.
The
context of that Psalm is the Davidic king’s marriage to a princess
from Tyre. The psalmist calls the king God
because he represents God as God’s agent to rule over God’s
people. Does this make the king the supreme God?
Trinitarians
must be consistent. If Jesus is referred to as the supreme God in
Hebrews 1:8, then they must also conclude that the Davidic king of
Psalm 45:6 is also the supreme God.
Jesus
is called God in a “representative sense,” not as the supreme God
Himself.
“God
With Us”
Behold, the virgin shall conceive
and give birth to a son, and they shall call His name Immanuel, which
means “God with us.” (Matt. 1:23)
This verse is supposed to prove
Jesus is God. The name is taken literally
rather than symbolically.
It has nothing to do with God coming out of heaven and taking up
space here on earth as a man. The phrase, “God with us” could
also be translated “God is with us” as it is in other
translations.
It is interesting that if Jesus
is God, why is it the trinitarians do not address him as Immanuel?
If the name is to be taken literally, then the Old Testament names
that were given to people such as Israel,
Elijah, Elisha,
Daniel, Michael,
Ezekiel, and Joel,
that all contain "el," meaning “God,” should be an
affirmation that all these people are God.
“The LORD is with us” or
“the LORD is with you,” is a frequent expression in the
scriptures.26
It is clear that the name is symbolic.
God was not literally Christ
nor Christ literally God, but in His Son, as 2 Cor. 5:19 states:
That God was in Christ,
reconciling the world to Himself.
Matthew 1:23 does not prove the
trinity doctrine nor that Jesus is God.
Jesus
Forgave Sins Therefore He is God?
The teaching is that since only
God can forgive sins, therefore Jesus must be God. When Jesus healed
the paralytic and told him his sins were forgiven, the Pharisees
accused Jesus of blaspheming and said, “Who can forgive sins but
God alone?”
Where in the bible does it say
only God can forgive sins? I was reading one website in defense of
the trinity and it said the following:
Jesus asked these experts in the
law whether it was easier to say a man is forgiven or to tell a
paralyzed man to rise and walk. Of course, Jesus refers, not to the
ease of SAYING the words, but to the ability to make them come true.
Had He simply healed the man, they would have been amazed but would
not have recognized that He was God in the flesh.
He states at the end of the
article concerning the Pharisees:
Hence, instead of accusing Jesus
of blasphemy, these men ought to have recognized and honored Him as
being from God.
Note the contradiction. If
Jesus is
God,
how can Jesus be from
God?
He also states after trying to
prove Jesus is God because of the miracles he did:
God would never immediately give
Him the power to do such miracles.
Again, the contradictions never
cease. If Jesus is God, he gave power to Himself? They should honor
God because God gave power to God to show mankind that He is God?
Really? This is why there is confusion and nonsensical explanations.
The Pharisees were wrong and the
trinitarian doctrine is wrong. The simple fact is that God
grants authority to
forgive sins to whom He pleases, even to an angel as we saw in Exodus
23:20-21. God’s authorized agents have the authority to forgive
sins. He granted this authority to His Son, and in turn, Jesus
granted this authority to the disciples. He told them:
If you forgive anyone his sins,
they are forgiven.
If the Pharisees were right
that only God can forgive sins, then Jesus and the disciples were all
God, because they all had the authority to forgive sins.
The
Alpha And Omega
I am the Alpha and the Omega,
declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is
coming, the Almighty.” (Rev. 1:8)
Many turn to this verse to
prove Jesus is God. If one has a red letter edition of the bible,
everything in red print is supposed to be the words of Jesus. This
leads us deeper down the road of deception.
In verse 4, we have reference
to the Father, and in verse 5 Jesus is mentioned separately, “…AND
from Jesus the Messiah.” Then when we get to verse 8, this is once
again in reference to the Father (Yahweh).
In Rev. 1:8, it is not Jesus
speaking. The phrase "Lord God" is never used of Jesus, nor
is Jesus ever called the “Almighty.” Scripture makes a clear
distinction between the Almighty
and Jesus in Rev.21:22:
I saw no temple in it, for the
Lord God, the Almighty,
and the
Lamb, are its temple.
Shared
Titles
Further confusion takes place
because of shared titles such as "Alpha and Omega," "the
first and the last," and "the beginning and the end"
that are applied to God the Father and Jesus.27
Just because Jesus and Yahweh have titles in common does not give
credibility for the “Oneness” doctrine (who claim Jesus is the
Father), nor credibility to the trinity teaching. If this were the
case, Cyrus, the king of Persia, would have been (for those who
believe in a literal
pre-existence) the
pre-existent
Jesus since both are called “Messiah.” Isaiah 45:1a reads:
Thus saith the LORD to his
anointed,
to Cyrus…
The Hebrew word for “anointed”
is “Messiah.” It is the same word that was translated "Messiah"
in Dan. 9:25,26 and "anointed" in Ps.2:2.
Another title shared has to do
with the word “Savior.” God the Father is called Savior. 28
In Isa. 43:11 we read:
I myself am Yahweh; and besides
me there is no savior.
Jesus is also called “savior.”
Because Jesus is also called “Savior,” some people think that
this must mean he is God, but this is not true. Furthermore, many
people were called “saviors” in the Old Testament. But the
meaning is veiled from those reading the scriptures in the English
language because of the trinitarian bias of the translators. They use
the term “deliverer”
at times when they
apply it to men, and apply “Savior” when it refers to Jesus and
God the Father. A prime example of this can be seen in Neh. 9:27:
But when they [Israel] were
oppressed they cried out to you. From heaven you heard them, and in
your great compassion you
gave them deliverers
[saviors], who rescued them from the hand of their enemies”
God
raised up many individuals as saviors
to rescue Israel and designated as “savior” and “saviors.”29
It was prophesied that God would
send someone other than Himself to be a savior, and in the end,
Christ is the savior for all mankind who works through God the
Father. Jesus is our savior, but the ultimate
savior is God the Father. So though both are called “savior,” it
does not mean they are one and the same.
I
will end this chapter with a thought from Bro. Kel, from Trinity
Delusion Website. If
we really are to believe that Jesus is God:
Resorting
to the Ridiculous
At times the claims of
Trinitarian apologists are downright ridiculous. How many times have
you heard a Trinitarian claim the Magi bowed down before baby Jesus
because they knew he was God? How many times have you heard them
claim that nobody would do such a thing unless he was indeed God? How
many times have you wondered if they bowed down before him simply
because he was the King of the Jews? And have you ever wondered if
they, and even the Jewish people themselves, considered it
appropriate to bow down before a King? Do Trinitarians really expect
us to believe the Jews did not know anything about a three person God
because God had not yet “fully revealed himself” but the pagan
Magi were well aware that Jesus was God?
And when Mary his mother
changed baby Jesus’ diapers did she really think she was changing
God’s diapers? Or was Jesus’ own mother not privy to the same
insight as the Trinitarians? The Bible says Jesus was subject to
Joseph and Mary. It must have been quite difficult for them to have
such authority over God. “God, go to your room!” And are we
really to believe that Joseph was guarding God against Herod when he
fled to Egypt with little Jesus? And when Joseph and Mary realized
they had lost Jesus on their trip home from Jerusalem, are we really
to believe they were worried they had inadvertently left God
behind? And what was God doing
growing in wisdom and favor with God and men anyway?
Are we really to accept the
Trinitarian translation of Hebrews 1:8, “To the Son he says, ‘Your
throne O God is forever and ever” and blindly fail to notice the
very next verse would then refer to God’s God? Are we really
supposed to be completely blind to the fact that this would have God
the Father speaking to God the Son and reminding God the Son that he
has a God? Are we really to accept the Trinitarian “only begotten
God” manuscript variant of John 1:18 when it says this only
begotten God reveals God the Father who happens to be the unbegotten
God? Are we really supposed to stick our tongue in cheek and not see
that this would result in a begotten God revealing an unbegotten God?
That would be two Gods, one begotten and one not. How many doses of
denial do they expect us to take?
Are we really to pretend Jesus
was omniscient, all knowing when we are told that he increased in
wisdom? Are we really supposed to believe this preposterous claim
when Jesus himself said only the Father knew the day and hour of his
return? Did the word “only” lose its meaning last night? Just to
what extent to Trinitarians expect us to deceive ourselves?
And when Trinitarians respond
to John 20:17 by pointing out that Jesus said, “My God and your
God” but did not say “My God and our God,” just what exactly
are they suggesting? That Jesus’ God is a different God than our
God? What difference would it make? Isn’t “My God and Your God”
simply an emphatic way of saying “Our God?” And if you only
believe in one God then there is no difference in the identity of “My
God” and “your God” is there? Or perhaps their entire goal was
to confuse the issue to avoid the implications of Jesus words? After
all, he is saying that our God is the same God as his God. Who was
his God? Just what are Trinitarian apologists trying to do here?30
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